January 7, 2014

I agree we will never see an actual snog, or even an indication that their love is more than friendly. As for queer-baiting, I’m not exactly sure what that means. Does it mean that by continually dancing around the subject and even implying it in places, that they’re teasing us queer folk? If so, I don’t feel it’s particularly mean-spirited on either Moffat or Gatiss’ part. The joke has gone on for a while, admittedly, but I think the last two eps have started to lay it to rest.

Heh, on the subject of defining queerbaiting: in all this, I have actually encountered two…

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My question to you is, why are you defending the heterosexual staus-quo? A thing that does not need a single point of defending? Does not need an argument in its favor. You are still for all intents and purposes, telling people they are free to ignore queerness and think it doesn’t exist, contrary to one of your last posts. The heterosexual reading, the platonic reading, the friendship reading doesn’t need defending. How about we defend some of the other kinds for once?

No, I’m stating the facts. We can’t force anybody to look if they choose to…

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Do you honestly think this episode is as far as the writers will go with their relationship? I’m not expeting anything as blatant as snogging (I have to be realistic) but after two series of hints and, let’s be honest, queerbaiting we get a massive step. Like you said yourself, it’s in there, it’s in the text. Also, as much as I want to be hopeful and optimistic I cannot shake the fear that some firece backpedalling might take place at some point.

Well, keep in mind that these are pure guesses based on little more than my…

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How sad for you to not realize that sometimes friends (platonic/same sex) really can be this close. it doesn’t happen that often perhaps – only once in my life and she was my friend until the day she died (and I was there when she died) – we had bonded like kitten decades before and had an extraordinary close relationship – with no romance. I have other close friends, none like her and I miss her daily. It does happen. It is not impossible to be impossibly close without romantic feeling.

Of course it’s not impossible! And in fact you’ve just described my relationship to my…

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I just read that post on queerbaiting and I’m actually laughing. Sorry, I’m really trying not to be rude but that post was (to me) beyond ludicrous. Holmes & Watson have a very strong male friendship, often to referred to in writings about the canon as a romantic friendship. I’m a gay man. I have a straight male friend who people often think I’m in a relationship with, we’re not. I think it’s more homophobic to claim a male friendship is queerbaiting as it feels very “backs to the walls”.

My post wasn’t about queerbaiting. For that, read rivai-lution‘s awesome and passionate rebuttal to my…

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